Before I go any further, yes, I know the whole 'there is no such thing as a former CIA agent' thing, but the good news is that Ray McGovern wasn't a CIA agent; he was a CIA analyst.
So that must count for something, I hope. 🤣
In all seriousness, I think it's a bad strategy to disregard what he says simply because he worked for the CIA. The world isn't a zero-sum game, and while it's entirely plausible that he'd hold back on revealing some things, there's no reason to believe he wouldn't reveal others.
Of course they were involved. It was the CIA and it was the generals that wanted to get at the Soviet Union.
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For example, he openly says the CIA were involved in JFK's assassination. Another guest of mine — author Monika Wiesak, who's published two books on the assassination — makes the same argument. So does that mean Ray is lying because he worked for the CIA? Obviously not. If anything, it strengthens Monika's position.
A guy who hated Kennedy, who had legitimate grievances in his mind, grievances against Kennedy, who was fired by Kennedy, would end up directing the Warren Commission proceedings to find out who killed Kennedy.
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As an aside, Monika also wrote an incredible book on why Michael Jackson was innocent and why everybody got him wrong — thanks to a massive media campaign to destroy him.
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Her conversation with me about Michael is one of my most downloaded episodes.
Anyway.
Who is Ray McGovern?
Born in 1939 in the Bronx, Ray McGovern is a former CIA analyst who spent 27 years at the agency — from 1963 to 1990 — serving under seven US presidents. He holds a BA from Fordham University and an MA in Russian Language, Literature, and History.
During the Reagan years, he personally briefed Reagan's five most senior national security advisers.
When he retired in 1990, he was awarded the CIA's Intelligence Commendation Medal — which he handed back in 2006, writing that he 'abhorred the corruption of the CIA' and didn't want his name on any medallion associated with it.
Sometimes there are real conspiracies, you know, and if you uncover them, well, they call you a conspiracy theorist in hopes that you'll go away.
— Ray McGovern
In 2003, he co-founded Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) — a group of former intelligence officers dedicated to challenging the political manipulation of intelligence, initially focused on the Iraq War.
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I saw my former analyst colleagues prostituting our analyst trade so that Dick Cheney and George Bush could have their war in Iraq, a war totally unjustified, a war that was primarily sponsored or urged upon them by Zionists and by Zionist co-followers in Washington.
— Ray McGovern
This was a great conversation. Plus, it's not often one gets to talk to someone from the CIA.
